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Peter Kohn

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Thompso and Morgan
« on: October 08, 2017, 08:31:13 AM »
I was interested to see that T&M are offering 'Luxurious Designer Poppies' in their Meconopsis 'Union Jack' Collection. One plant each of (Meconopsis betonicifolia, Meconopsis Napaulensis, Meconopsis betonicifolia 'Alba') in 7cm pots for £9.99 reduced from £35.97.

This raises a number of questions.  How can they be sure that the white plant is white ? (Our seed-raised plants from M. baileyi alba have a high proportion of blue progeny).  Are they raised by tissue culture ?  Does this explain why the plants are so small ?  And being so small, will they survive the winter ?   We have always followed James Cobb's advice, given more than twenty years ago and tried to build up large strong plants before winter. We will be selling our large, multi-crowned M. baileyi plants in 2 litre pots at our final plant sale in Sheffield Botanic Gardens this afternoon (for £5). What do others think ?

Blues Brother

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Re: Thompso and Morgan
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2017, 08:13:02 PM »
So potentially, all three are mis-named. And some of the future seed and/or divisions could then be re-distributed. Should the MG write to T&M and asked them to re-name?

Peter Kohn

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Re: Thompso and Morgan
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2017, 08:24:19 AM »
Sounds sensible though I suspect they are more concerned with using names that are most successful commercially rather than scientifically accurate. I cringe whenever I see Incarvilleas described as 'hardy gloxinias' but there is little chance of reversing this useage and getting the horticulture industry to use baileyi rather than betonicifolia will be very difficult.

Allan Jamieson

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Re: Thompson and Morgan
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2017, 12:55:36 AM »
I wouldn't bother trying to communicate with them, I've sent them a couple of emails personally over the last few years. I sent them a link to this website as an example of how Meconopsis should be named, pointing out the work that the group had done on sorting out the naming problems with Meconopsis but interest and answer came there none whatsoever!

The so called Union Jack Collection also describes the plants as being perennial, nice trick if they have found a reliably perennial napaulensis, I guess they're going to have a few disappointed customers when the red section of the flag dies off after flowering. Perpetuating the betonicifolia name isn't exactly helpful either when what they are selling under that name is actually baileyi anyway.

I can remember many years ago back in 2001 when Evelyn asked me to help with the seed trials of commercially available Meconopsis, the seeds supplied by T & M were the worst of all the ones that I tried, very poor germination and somewhat inaccurate naming. I contacted them about that at that time too and someone did reply, saying that their Meconopsis seed came mainly from growers in Germany but that was the extent of their interest in the matter.