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Members New & Notice Board / MEETING AGENDA AGM MARCH 10th 2018 RBGE
« on: February 20, 2018, 09:31:25 AM »

                                           10.30 to 10.50   AGM.
                                           10.50 to 12.05   Margaret Thorne ‘The Southern Slopes of Annapurna’.
                                           12.05 to 12.30   Ian Scott, Some thoughts on the genetics of Meconopsis.
                                           12.30 to   1.30   Lunch.
                                             1.30 to   2.15   Tommy Tonsberg ‘Growing Meconopsis in Norway’.
                                             2.15 to   3.15   Old and New Meconopsis in south-west China.
                                                                    Peter Edge, Chris Parsons, Ed Shaw,  David Rankin.
                                             3.15 to   3.30   Questions.

Growing / Re: Meconopsis in the beer fridge
« on: January 31, 2018, 11:37:23 PM »
Possibly will get good germination results in a fridge its the growing on might prove a bit more difficult.

General Meconopsis Forum / Re: Wikipedia entry on Meconopsis Genus
« on: January 14, 2018, 03:05:08 PM »
Will bring this up on Tuesday in AOCB  at the committee meeting Peter.

Growing / Re: First seed germinated 2018
« on: January 14, 2018, 03:02:04 PM »
Well done Guys.  Obviously doing something right.  Lots of air around them now and BE Patient before pricking them out!

Species / Re: Meconopsis staintonii
« on: November 27, 2017, 12:50:45 PM »
The leaves are very tidy too and a good match for the pink Royston. Its just always a shame that there is no guarantee of an exact match from the seed. But then that's the fun of it all.

General Meconopsis Forum / Re: Thompso and Morgan
« on: November 03, 2017, 11:31:49 AM »
The subject came up at The Meconopsis Group meeting on Saturday 28th November. A formal letter is being sent from The Meconopsis Group. Hopefully they will take notice. A member of the general public has complained to one of the Groups nursery members that 'the nursery did not know that you CAN get a perennial red Meconopsis' ! They were not particularly pleasant and were quite insistent. They  based this on T & M information. Van Meuwen are also promoting the same  incorrect information and packs for sale. They too will be contacted. Perhaps many members should also complain so they may finally look at their mistakes!

The news report and agenda is ready to be sent out to members very soon. Here is the agenda for the meeting for those who also may wish to attend.

Venue; Conference Room,  Royal Botanic Garden, 20 Inverleith Row, Edinburgh EH3 5LR,
Saturday 28th October 2017
All members, guests and visitors welcome.
Bring your own packed lunch. Tea and coffee will be provided in the morning and at lunchtime.
Contact; The Secretary Via the website at should you have any questions.

10.00 -10.30  Arrivals, Teas and coffee
10.30 -10.35  Chairman's update
10.35 -10.50  Tribute to Dr Evelyn Stevens
10.50 -11.50  Geoff Hill - ICRA (International Cultivar Registration Authority)
11.50 - 12.45 Jim Jermyn- Meconopsis at Branklyn
12.45 - 13.45 Lunch
13.45 - 14.45 Peter and Tricia Kohn - Meconopsis in Two  Gardens
14.45 - 15.15 Ian Christie - Assessment Committee Report
15.15 - 15.30 Questions/General Discussion

General Meconopsis Forum / Re: Meconopsis for Gardeners
« on: July 26, 2017, 10:45:32 PM »
Hi Peter 'The Genus Meconopsis'  is all about the species. ' Meconopsis for gardeners' is mostly about the garden cultivars. The two books content are very different.

Pests and diseases / Re: Dodgy dhwojii
« on: July 25, 2017, 08:42:05 PM »
I have looked at mine from this years sowing and there is no distortion like yours in any of them.  The image is of last years sowing plant today so does not look as though these leaves have altered over time.

Species / Re: Meconopsis pseudointegrifolia
« on: July 16, 2017, 08:55:42 PM »
Noted that it is rotated. Will get Matt to answer questions.
Thanks guys.

Species / Re: Meconopsis henrici
« on: June 24, 2017, 12:06:57 PM »
Just great to see this. My M. henricii are just sown this year so looking forward to them flowering. They are looking healthy and still in pots.

General Meconopsis Forum / Re: Golden root mealybug
« on: June 18, 2017, 10:19:04 AM »
Really good image to show what members should be looking for. 

General Meconopsis Forum / Re: Golden root mealybug
« on: June 18, 2017, 09:21:30 AM »
Golden root mealy bug.
Like all other gardens plants, at times, pests and diseases can be a problem for Meconopsis. Slugs, snails, mildew, botrytis, crown rot to name a few. Recently it has been discovered that there is a new non-native pest called,
Golden root mealybug.  Chryseococcus arecae.
The non-native Golden root mealybug is a sap-feeding insect that feeds on the roots of a wide variety of plants. It has been found on Meconopsis and Primula in the UK and unlike most other mealybug species found in Britain it is able to survive the winter outdoors. The golden root mealybug was first recorded in 2012 so is a relatively recent arrival in the UK. It is a native of New Zealand and has been reported in Scotland.                                     
Infestations are usually first noticed when the roots of underperforming plants are examined. Small (2-3 mm) insects covered in a golden yellow wax can be seen attached to the roots. Other sap-sucking root pests e.g. root aphid or other root mealybugs are usually white. If any of your plants are underperforming, please check the roots to see if you can see this pest.

General Meconopsis Forum / Re: Meconopsis for Gardeners
« on: June 18, 2017, 12:34:59 AM »
You are on The Contributors list Peter. Lovely article on pages 363,364,365. Books are being sent out to contributors  direct from AGS.

Seeds and germination issues / Re: meconopsis henrici
« on: June 11, 2017, 11:05:00 PM »
Hi Matt  They were started off in the cold greenhouse late January. Germination was about 4 weeks. They stayed in there until the first day I noticed the roof vents opened automatically. They were then moved out in to a cold frame watched over all the time for frost at nights. They were fed once with a very dilute tomato feed and then potted on as per the pictures before. Only one from those that were potted on has not survived and they are doing well.

Cultivars / Re: Lingholm
« on: June 07, 2017, 08:35:41 AM »
Its not just the Lingholm, look at the wonderful ones and the garden in behind. Thank you for sharing this.

First picture shows what happens when you overwater.(experience)  I am not sure if that may  cause the distortion in the new leaves.

Growing / Re: First seed germinated 2017
« on: June 05, 2017, 11:10:05 PM »
Exciting germination results and record keeping. Quite a mixture so will be great to see how they grow on.

Hybrids / Re: M. betonicifolia x baileyi MGS#3
« on: May 25, 2017, 04:42:43 PM »
Hi Ian  Photograph from this afternoon.  You can clearly see some off shots from the parent plant. These were from the 50/50 plant sale. The off shoot from the parent plant in the big pot for G.S i already flowering.

Cultivars / Re: Flowering now
« on: May 17, 2017, 12:06:38 PM »
These are lovely images Steve. The plants are looking so healthy. Thank goodness the drought is over so hopefully no more 'watering'.

Seeds and germination issues / Re: meconopsis henrici
« on: May 05, 2017, 11:10:27 AM »
All potted on so fingers crossed.

Seeds and germination issues / Re: meconopsis henrici
« on: May 03, 2017, 10:13:23 AM »
Mine are looking not too bad. I have two little pots of them and will pot them on today.

Hybrids / Re: M. betonicifolia x baileyi MGS#3
« on: May 01, 2017, 10:27:13 PM »
I have checked both 'plants' I have Ian. The first big one in the pot that I mentioned before, that I removed the piece that was growing nearly out the side of the pot, looks as though it has another small piece a few inches away from the main plant.
I have checked the second one in the border that was frosted and only the main flower stem seems to have been frosted but it too is showing some small off shoots that appear to be healthy. There is a second plant next to the frosted one but there does not seem to be anything other than the main plant.
The piece that I removed from the plant in the pot now has a flower bud emerging.

You did say to me when I bought the little ones at the 50/50 that there could be a few small seedlings together but I consider that but the off shoots are too far away considering the original little plants were only in a three inch pot.

Pests and diseases / Re: Disease or die-back?
« on: May 01, 2017, 10:16:40 PM »
Never seen anything like this before, definitely a science answer needed here. It will be interesting to see how the growth develops.

Hybrids / Re: M. betonicifolia x baileyi MGS#3
« on: April 28, 2017, 11:45:40 PM »
Hi Ian

Remember the ones in pots for Gardening Scotland from 2015?

 Only two days ago I had to remove what I thought was some sort of side growth growing almost over the edge and out of the 25 litre pot. It was very easy to remove and I did not need to massively cut away or anything. I did not consider what it was when doing it but now you mention this.... I have potted it on as it was so healthy. I did not pay much attention to what was happening in the rest of the pot but I shall check in the morning. Unfortunately I did not take a photograph.

I also still have the remains of one, after the frost, in the border today. It was one that was bought in the 50/50 plant sale at a meeting that you had brought them into the previous year. I shall check that tomorrow and see what is happening.

There must be other members who purchased your ones then who may still have them as you had brought in quite a few.

This actual plant was certainly looked at by members at G.S.

General Meconopsis Forum / Re: Meconopsis Group numbering system
« on: April 21, 2017, 11:13:27 AM »
I look forward to seeing your image when you get a chance.
The list is with Committee as there are plants listed on it not yet named by the group or have not survived. Dr Geoff Hill is compiling a new list which will then be posted on the web page once complete. Geoff is doing a talk to the Group at the October meeting on the very subject as he is The registrar for ICRA.

General Meconopsis Forum / Re: Meconopsis Group numbering system
« on: April 17, 2017, 10:29:22 PM »
There is a difference between 'seed' numbering and actual 'plants' that have been allocated a nickname and a number. Some of these plants have not yet been assessed by the Plant Naming and assessment sub committee and not yet ratified by the Meconopsis Group. I think you may be referring to MG 100 which is a plant. The seeds have an MGS# number and the plants have an MG number.
MG100 is nicknamed M "Keillour" and it came from Keillour Castle.  It could possibly be  M x finlayorum (quintupinlinervia x integrifolia)?. This information comes from the final list of plants at The Linns in Sherrifmuir 2016. There are possibly examples of it at Branklyn garden and with  Pat Murphy.

Seeds and germination issues / Re: meconopsis henrici
« on: April 07, 2017, 09:48:10 AM »
I have had not bad germination either. You don't see it listed anywhere much so don't know who is growing it. All trial and error for us then. Good luck.

Growing / Re: Growing Meconopsis
« on: April 02, 2017, 10:27:50 AM »
There has been frost for the last two nights so some of the Gardening Scotland pots have been moved in to the little poly tunnel for overnight protection. They have been out all winter with no protection at all. The others are still in behind the garage and they now have a fleece ready to pull over them at night. The growth rate is very different between them all with M. 'Mildred' in the lead followed closely behind by M. 'Huntfield'.

Members New & Notice Board / Re: Meconopsis Group meetings.
« on: March 24, 2017, 06:39:07 PM »
Advance   notice for your diary. The next meeting of The Meconopsis Group is on Saturday 28th October 2017 at The Royal Botanic Garden Edinburgh. 10-10.30 arrival. More details to follow.

Seeds and germination issues / Re: Plants and seedling swaps and wishes.
« on: February 26, 2017, 11:29:14 AM »
Good for you Eileen. I think it will be a wee bit early yet for the word to start to get out there for the meeting on Saturday but all things have to start somewhere.
I remember a few years ago Margaret and Henry brought in small tubs of M. Punicea geminated seed and donated them to the Prize draw so it does show members do have excess. It was quite funny as 'winners' bypassed them for a while on the table until someone pointed them out and then of course all were desperate to 'win'.
My M. Punicea is all in one small seed tray and still outdoors at the moment although it is starting to show some very small green shoots. Next year I shall remember to sow in smaller individual pots.
I did not sow any M. Superba or M.Integrifolia.
If I can get the M.Punicea to grow on to little plants I shall keep some for you.

Seeds and germination issues / Plants and seedling swaps and wishes.
« on: February 25, 2017, 04:26:17 PM »
Following on from the excellent posts from Allan and Eileen in seed stratification we could possibly post on here where members can buy, sell, swap or source excess or unusual plants or seedlings that they are looking for or wish to pass on to other members.

There is the 50/50 plant sale at meetings which proves to be very popular at re distributing plants and provides additional  funds for the group and payment to the member. We would wish that this would continue and indeed increase so that we have more plants for sale from members attending the meetings so if you are coming to a meeting and you have excess at home please bring it in with you for sale or as a donation for the prize draw.

Unfortunately not all members are able to attend meetings but could have plants or seedlings they may wish to pass on in some way to others so they could post what they think on here. It may also be that some members are looking for particular seedlings or plants that they have not had success with or in finding but would like to grow. Members may have been really successful at germination of a particular seed and others may not have been so lucky for some unknown reason so it would be better if these were passed on rather than discarded.

Some of our members also operate nurseries so they too if they had  particular plants that they think would be unusual or of particular interest to our members they could advise this . Its difficult a home to continue growing on the big monocarpic plants from seed but if one or two could be purchased when small enough it could help keep these big ones going if seed is saved.

A get together in the flowering season as Allan has suggested has happened in  previous years would also be a good way for members to gain or exchange material. Possibly some members may wish to set up some sort of regional event that they could post here and if anyone in or outwith the area wished to  attend I am sure all would be welcome. I could certainly do something for South Lanarkshire in June.

Its over to you now members, what do you think? We have 225 members spread over the country and the world so we could do more to ensure succession of these wonderful plants.

Members New & Notice Board / Meconopsis Group meetings.
« on: February 15, 2017, 11:03:10 AM »
Meconopsis Group meeting & AGM to be held on Saturday, 4th March, 2017.

Venue: Conference Room, Royal Botanic Garden, 20 Inverleith Row, Edinburgh EH3 5LR.


10.00-10.30 Arrivals, Teas & Coffee.

10.30-11.00 AGM including changes to the constitution.

11.00-12.00 Julia Corden. In the footsteps of Ludlow and Sherriff, over 8 years in Bhutan and Arunachal Pradesh.

12.00-12.30 Ian Scott. "Has anyone seen my Meconopsis bella seed?"

12.30-13.30 Lunch

13.30-14.30 Alan Elliot. History of Meconopsis cultivation at RBGE from 1842 until (almost) present.

14.30-15.00 Matt Heasman. The Forum.

15.00-15.15 Questions.

Guests will be made welcome at the meeting.

Growing / Re: New Cold Frame in Portland, Oregon USA
« on: February 12, 2017, 11:43:29 AM »
Hi Mike. Welcome to the Forum. I like the sounds of your lovely long cold frame. Just like the ones in the nurseries behind the scenes at RBGE. Your climate in Oregon will be well suited to growing Meconopsis and I am sure you will have lots of fun. Of course there will be disappointments as well but its just try again. The good fresh seed from the seed exchange will give you a much better chance than from shop bought seed.
I remembered the teenagers were with you at Edinburgh. Perhaps save the little corner in the cold frame for them to try as well now they know what they are aiming for.
It will be really interesting for all our members to hear how you get on. keep posting results as they come and of course post questions as you need to.
Good luck!

Seeds and germination issues / Re: Stratification of seed.
« on: February 10, 2017, 02:36:58 PM »
Your record keeping is probably correct. Sometimes it can take until the second year especially if sowing in the Spring. They may just have gone in to dormancy if it was a little warm. The lower temperature over the winter has spurred them back in to germinating. Hopefully you will get lots of lovely little plants.

Seeds and germination issues / Re: When to sow
« on: February 10, 2017, 02:33:09 PM »
Good results for a first time. The rest will follow soon. Fleece covers are a great idea and also keep them well ventilated during the day.

Species / Re: Meconopsis balangensis
« on: February 08, 2017, 10:44:21 AM »
I am sure they will!!!

Seeds and germination issues / Re: Meconopsis delavayi
« on: February 07, 2017, 11:28:41 PM »
Remind me Matt and I shall lift and divide some for you when the growth really starts.

Growing / Re: Growing Meconopsis
« on: January 30, 2017, 05:02:18 PM »
On my Meconopsis Huntfield too. Never had this in January. They look so healthy. Its the same in the border and in the big pots.
Last years little seedling plants over wintering in the cold frame are also showing new growth. I never usually even have a look in there until about February as I never expect to see growth.

Growing / Re: Growing Meconopsis
« on: January 18, 2017, 01:50:57 PM »
Never thought for a minute I would have any growth this early. After seeing your image went out to the garden this morning after a week of snow lying and found I have M.quintuplinervia in growth as well. This usually does not show until about March. Its wishful thinking but I hope for no frost now but know still have months of possibility. This is the M.quintuplinervia that has leaves that are more of a lime green colour. The other one with the blue green leaves is also showing growth but only about a centimetre in the centre of the clumps. I have covered all with a bit of old dry foliage to protect a bit.(hopefully)

Pests and diseases / Re: Botrytis and mildew
« on: January 18, 2017, 01:29:34 PM »
Hi Marie  It looks as though you are getting to the bottom of this already. It certainly does not sound like botrytis and more to do with what's going on underground or wet around the crown so keep trying what you are already doing. Don't give up. There's always lots of seed available for this one. I tried to grow the big blue ones for years without success and started to believe the rumour that they were difficult to grow. After some very simple advice from the late Tom Shearer I stopped killing them with kindness and just ensured they were in a location in the garden that did not dry out or indeed was not too wet. Mulching in the spring and perhaps a feed and where I am watch out for late frosts on new growth. Good luck

Pests and diseases / Re: Botrytis and mildew
« on: January 13, 2017, 11:16:41 PM »
Hi Marie    Do your plants show any grey mould on them before they seem to be dying? Does the centre of the rosette seem to come away from the outer leaves? Are the leaves quite brown and mushy? You say you have some overhead protection from the rain but do you know what the water table is like in the actual soil or how deep the actual soil is?
I don't really seem to have any problem in the garden although I have lost some in the wetter area of the border. Slightly higher up with better drainage they grow well and have excellent flowers. If you are getting them to 'healthy' plants you are obviously doing something right and it could just be down to location or the soil in the border.

Growing / Re: Plant not flowering
« on: January 03, 2017, 12:26:17 PM »
I have had a similar type of issue with a big plant I lifted and divided myself. Some of the replanted divisions flowered the following year and other parts did not. I think the parts that did not flower were from the outside of the division and the lifting set back the flower development. I lifted these non flowering sections and brought them on in some big pots and they were replanted in the garden the following year when they eventually did flower.
I have noticed on M. Dalemain in the border that there are always leaf rosettes around the outside of the clump that do not flower and that is usually a sign for me that I need to lift and divide the clump. It does grow really well for me. It is in a moist area in the garden that is quite shaded. 

Seeds and germination issues / Re: Mec dhwojii, who grows it
« on: December 23, 2016, 03:08:47 PM »
Do you think  difference in climate between Kerrachar and Sheffield makes a difference? I found the first year I had lots of lovely little healthy plants which were kept in pots in the cold frame over winter. They died down in to a little hard dark lump in the soil over the winter but they never seemed to come back to life the following spring. How did you get them through the first winter in Kerrachar?

Seeds and germination issues / Re: Meconopsis delavayi
« on: December 19, 2016, 10:33:18 PM »
Cyril....You make it sound so easy and it certainly looks wonderful. We will all need to try all of your techniques as many members are really desperate to have them. I have only ever seen them at RBGE in a stone trough protected with a glass frame structure by Elspeth overhead, tucked away in behind the scenes. Next year there were some in the Alpine house cold frame beds but I never saw them again despite searching. You must have the Midas touch. Or should that be we know you have the Midas touch.

Hybrids / Re: Meconopsis baileyi x latifolia
« on: December 16, 2016, 10:04:55 AM »
Could Carole and Ian Bainbridge be able to advise where the donation came from. Not sure if they keep records but must be worth a try if you have not already done so.

General Meconopsis Forum / Re: Growing in Pots
« on: December 16, 2016, 10:01:32 AM »
Excellent advice Steve particularly about the fungal infection and root rot. I think this is where a lot of us have the problems but never understood why. The small ones are tricky little things but with other members experiences and knowledge hopefully we will all get back to getting them growing again.

Seeds and germination issues / Storing seed once collected
« on: December 13, 2016, 10:08:01 AM »
What advice from experienced growers would they give on best way to store seed once collected?

At the moment I collect  the seed capsules and store them in a paper bag on the window ledge for a few days.  I feel I need to give it those  few days to ensure it is dry enough before harvesting the seed. I then store the collected, cleaned seed in a paper bag in a plastic lidded container in the fridge. I used to put everything directly in to the fridge but found sometimes I had some mould on the seeds once the bag was opened again.

ALSO,  sometimes there can be tiny insects in the seed capsules and you don't want them to get in to your fridge! so leaving the bag open on the window ledge allows them to get out.

I mark the plastic container with a bright red marker with all sorts of warnings, keep out! do not throw away! and most importantly, do not open seeds inside! as you just never know what other family members may open the box and spill everything or worse still throw the box out thinking its old food that has been in there for months.

General Meconopsis Forum / Re: Image Sizes
« on: December 12, 2016, 08:33:52 PM »
Ah folks, now could this be a topic/tutorial for a talk at one of the meetings?

Identification issues / Re: Mec Identification
« on: December 12, 2016, 08:20:08 PM »
The second one has worked!! Excellent.

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