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Title: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: Peter Kohn on February 21, 2017, 08:48:05 AM
I notice that the Plant List still regards this name as 'unresolved'. Has any work been done on the DNA ?  It seems that the white form grows much taller than other colour forms. This year I have sown four different colour forms, twofrom Cluny seed plus my own red form which was only about 90cm tall and seed from Ian Scott's albiflorum (very tall). Only the lemon yellow form has germinated so far. Might the different colour forms potentially be separable ?
Title: Re: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: Meconopsis_Group on February 21, 2017, 10:40:33 AM
Hello thanks for you post this is something that we are all looking at two years ago John from Cluny gave me several M. staintonii when these flowered we had a group of 3 here and Pink Lemon and White at the Forfar garden the white one was the weakest I am sure what we have are Hybrids John has a large planting at Cluny must visit when in flower, cheers.
Title: Re: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: IanScott on February 22, 2017, 10:48:11 PM
Unfortunately I could not attend the Meconopsis Meeting last autumn, but I understand that there was a discussion about these plants. I gather that Alan Oatway thinks that the large white form that I grow, is a white form of Meconopsis paniculata.  He may be right, I really don't know.

When I first grew the plant from Chris Chadwell seed (CC 3317), I assumed that it was a white form of M. wallichii, as it flowered right into late October. Later on I obtained seed of the true M. wallichii, and it was obviously not that.  Several members suggested that it was the white form of M. staintonii but, as I said at a previous meeting, there are similarities but the seed was collected from the 'wrong' place and the red forms of M. staintonii flower much earlier and never attain the height of my 'Great White'.  This year I have it and authenticated  M. paniculata growing in the garden, so I'll do a comparison.

In the meantime I am loathed to change the name yet again in the seed list and M. sp (ex CC 3317) on its own isn't very informative, so it'll stay as such until we have more information.

Incidentally, I find that it happily self-seeds into the boggy area around one of my pools and needs no winter protection.

Title: Re: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: Peter Kohn on May 25, 2017, 01:53:54 PM
My seedlings grown from Ian's seedhead stem brought to the October 2015 meeting are clearly not M. wallichii but they vary subtly so suspect they are also now hybrids.
Title: Re: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: Meconopsis_Group on May 26, 2017, 07:28:48 PM
I have been watching 3 plants in my garden supposed to be Meconopsis staintoni all are going to flower but leaves are very different one plant  could be other 2 are ??? will post pictures when in flower cheers.
Title: Re: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: ptallbo on June 04, 2017, 09:55:30 AM
Here is a picture of my M staintonii from Magnar Aspaker in Norway , these are sown last year and are  planted in a loamy humid soil in full sun together with my M integrifolia.
Title: Re: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: IanScott on June 04, 2017, 09:37:49 PM
From the colour of the foliage and the ginger hairs I would expect your plants to produce red flowers. In my experience, the other coloured forms (that is assuming that they are colour variants) always have more grey-green foliage and whitish hairs.

My plants of M. staintonii ex CC 3964 have been flowering for the last 3 weeks (long before ex CC 3317) and I have been hand pollinating the red flowers against each other and marking them for seed collection.  When the ex CC 3317 breaks bud I will no longer mark the seed capsules, so that I will know which ones to collect.

For ex CC 3317 I will do the reverse process and mark seed capsules after the red form has finished flowering.

Sorry that the seed from the 'Great White' that I brought in seems to have produced hybrids seeds.  It really was more to illustrate its unusual height, and it could have crossed with other Mecs in the garden.
Title: Re: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: ptallbo on June 15, 2017, 11:02:26 PM
Soon into flower :


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Title: Re: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: Meconopsis_Group on June 16, 2017, 07:57:09 AM
Plants look great look forward to flowers. cheers.
Title: Re: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: ptallbo on June 23, 2017, 07:20:46 AM
Only one flower so far but manage to get 3 species and one cultivar into the same picture ..:)

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Title: Re: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: Meconopsis_Group on June 23, 2017, 08:25:26 AM
Well done look good I have 3 plants in flower plus 2 odd ones very different here are my pictures cheers
Title: Re: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: Meconopsis_Group on June 23, 2017, 08:26:20 AM
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Title: Re: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: ptallbo on June 24, 2017, 08:01:04 AM
Looking great...:) I have sown seed of the white one but no germinatio yet. And the last picture of the red or almost pink one with green leafs.
Title: Re: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: ptallbo on July 07, 2017, 09:23:02 AM
Update on the plant , there were at most 4-5 flowers at the same time, but not it only 1-2 since they seem to fall of fast if pollinated.
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Title: Re: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: IanScott on August 31, 2017, 09:03:57 AM
Update on Meconopsis ex CC3317

Those who attended an Edinburgh meeting some time back may remember the amazing height of Meconopsis ex CC3317 which I brought in. The dead and dried plant still had seed capsules and several members took seed away.  This seed was of open pollination and I think that Peter Kohn's resulting plants were pink flowered.

Anyway, I had the tall white flowered Meconopsis ex CC3317 self seeding underneath an adult plant and this year one of the very tall seedlings was pink flowered, but with the usual coloured leaves (i.e not the golden colour of M. staintonii).  Now the only Meconopsis in the garden which could have been the other parent was M. staintonii (red form) which was growing nearby.

I collected a lot of seed capsules as the plant is quite attractive, but the seed is non-viable dust.  So this appears to be a sterile hybrid (Meconopsis ex CC3317 x M. staintonii).  In other words M. ex CC3317 cannot be the white form of M. staintonii (albiflora). A view put forward at a later Edinburgh meeting.

The other suggestion has been that it is a white form of Meconopsis paniculata. However if both M. paniculata and M. staintonii are part of the gene pool of M. napaulensis (of hort), then this identity is equally questionable.

Hmm ...........
Title: Re: Meconopsis staintonii
Post by: Peter Kohn on September 09, 2017, 08:10:35 AM
My flowering plant was actually (almost) pure white and the seed capsules were still not yet ready to harvest so cannot comment on the seed yet. Several other plants are still at the rosette stage and look not unlike the 'M. staintonii' grown from Cluny seed this year (this was the 'lemon yellow' form - I didn't get germination from 'pinky red' or from Ian's ex CC second time round).  I have to say that both Ian and |\\john's seed progeny have made very spectacular rosettes so far.  I have had a lot of losses from plants in the napaulensis (hort) and paniculata group with plants in pots here in Sheffield so I am hoping for better luck with plants in the ground.